There was a time when Protestants had the courage to say that the little horn of Daniel 7, the Antichrist, is the Papacy. But today they are silent. There was a time when Protestants believed that God created the earth in six literal days, but many have adopted the theory of evolution like Rome. Many Protestant churches have rejected the Flood and Creation accounts of Genesis, calling them myths.
When the truth of God’s holy Sabbath was brought to the Protestant world and its leaders, they rejected it and clung to the tradition of Sunday worship—a tradition of the Catholic Church. And through the ages, the churches of the world have continued to reject the truth of God’s Sabbath. The reformer Melancthon was one such man who did not understand the Sabbath message, saying this:
The Scripture has abrogated the Sabbath, teaching that all Mosaic ceremonies may be omitted, since the gospel has been preached.
Today, Protestantism as a whole is dead. Although individual Christians within each denomination may be walking according to all the light they have received, Protestantism itself, as a whole, is no longer what it used to be. The lines have become blurred.
The man who thinks he can be a Protestant and yet reject the Bible or some portion of it, is making a profound mistake…true Protestantism cannot only be anti-Catholic…it must also be anti-modernist, anti-evolutionist, and against every evil that is sapping the life of the Christian churches of today. At the same time it must be in favor of every good thing—prayer, Bible study, and all that is meant by Christian service. That is the Protestantism that is so sorely needed.
In spite of the rejection of truth by the formal churches, God has a special invitation for His honest, sincere children. God does not want His children to remain in this fallen state of Babylon. He appeals to them in Revelation 18:4:
Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues (NKJV).
God wants us to identify the Antichrist and to be acquainted with its sinister workings, so that we don’t participate in its crimes against God. He knows that many have no idea how wide and deep the Antichrist system works today. That’s why He has given us prophecy in the Bible. With the Word, we can inform ourselves and be aware and principled about what we believe and do.
In Isaiah 1:18, God shows us that he wants us to use our intellect to make informed choices about who we serve and how:
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
The Reformation drew a line between the Roman system and God’s people, and at the end of time, that line will again be drawn more clearly and distinctly than ever before.
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“I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”
Second John Chapter 1
Do you believe scripture when it says that the one “who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”
Why do you think the Catholic Church does not confess the incarnation? Namely that Jesus Christ came in the Flesh? It is a fundemental teaching we hold even before Nicea in 325.
Martin Luther Said of Zwingli and his followers that they were:
heretics, hypocrites, liars, blasphemers, soul-murderers, sinners unto death, bedeviled all over. He ceased to pray for them, and left them to their fate.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc7.ii.vii.ix.html
Its not that protestants now lack courage to call the Pope the anti-christ. Would you say lutherans no longer have the courage to call reformed christians “heretics, hypocrites, liars, blasphemers, soul-murderers, sinners unto death, bedeviled all over.”
It’s more likely that they understand that such accusations were fairly common when religious stakes were high. In my view both Catholics and Protestants should start acting more charitably toward each other and stop with the name calling and start trying to learn more from each other.
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I sorely disagree, sir. I can not, in the name of my Lord, Jesus Christ, concede to Catholicism and their teaching. Nor their defilement of Christ’s Church.
There is no name calling between myself and the Roman Catholic Church. I am speaking the truth…. in truth there is no slander.
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Do you believe scripture when it says that the one “who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”?
Why do you think the Catholic Church does not confess the incarnation? Namely that Jesus Christ came in the Flesh? It is a fundamental teaching we hold even before Nicea in 325.
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Do you agree with it? With the church?
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You seem to avoid my questions but I will answer yours.
“Do you agree with it? With the church?”
Yes I agree with scripture that the anti-chist will confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
And when you ask “With the Church?” I sure hope so:
Matthew 28:18-20 ESV
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Ephesians 3:21 ESV
To him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
Acts 20:28 ESV
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
1 Corinthians 12:13 ESV
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
Ephesians 5:23 ESV
For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
Hebrews 13:17 ESV
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
I hope you are “With the Church.”
It seems to me that Protestants can either Agree that Jesus will not abandon the church and so agrees the Catholic Church although not as good as it was before the reformation did good for many christians for 1500 years. Or they disagree and think Christ did not stay with the church and in fact abandoned it until the reformers came.
What is your view?
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Sir,
In 2 John 1:7 the verse talks about AN antichrist, not THE Antichrist. In 1 John 2:18, Paul differentiates between an antichrist and the Antichrist.
I agree that submission to the church elders is important (though I’m sure we disagree as to the hierarchy of the church); which is one reason we are to teach our children to submit to their parents, to learn submission to the Lord and to the church.
But if the church begins straying from the doctrines taught by Christ and the apostles that are recorded for us in the Scripture, should we continue to obey them? Acts 5:29 says no, we ought to obey God rather than men.
I agree that we must remain charitable to all people, regardless of religious belief. But that doesn’t mean that we should refrain from speaking what we fervently believe to be the truth. Christ was the epitome of charitable, yet in Matthew 23:33 He called the Pharisees a den of vipers.
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So it comes down to you have a different interpretation of scripture than some other church.
Martin Luther can say “faith alone” all he wants. And if you want to follow men you can do that.
But scripture never says that, and in fact says not by faith alone. “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”
The bible also says Faith Hope and Love but the greatest of these is Love. 1st Corinthians 13:13
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“Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?”
This is perhaps the most important question in all of Christian theology. This question is the cause of the Reformation, the split between the Protestant churches and Catholic Church. This question is a key difference between biblical Christianity and most of the “Christian” cults. Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works? Am I saved just by believing in Jesus, or do I have to believe in Jesus and do certain things?
The question of faith alone or faith plus works is made difficult by some hard-to-reconcile Bible passages. Compare Romans 3:28, 5:1 and Galatians 3:24 with James 2:24. Some see a difference between Paul (salvation is by faith alone) and James (salvation is by faith plus works). Paul dogmatically says that justification is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), while James appears to be saying that justification is by faith plus works. This apparent problem is answered by examining what exactly James is talking about. James is refuting the belief that a person can have faith without producing any good works (James 2:17-18). James is emphasizing the point that genuine faith in Christ will produce a changed life and good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but rather that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his/her life. If a person claims to be a believer, but has no good works in his/her life, then he/she likely does not have genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26).
Paul says the same thing in his writings. The good fruit believers should have in their lives is listed in Galatians 5:22-23. Immediately after telling us that we are saved by faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9), Paul informs us that we were created to do good works (Ephesians 2:10). Paul expects just as much of a changed life as James does: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come” (2 Corinthians 5:17). James and Paul do not disagree in their teaching regarding salvation. They approach the same subject from different perspectives. Paul simply emphasized that justification is by faith alone while James put emphasis on the fact that genuine faith in Christ produces good works.
Once again I trust this will answer your question, and test of the spirit.
May God bless and keep you always.
Yours in Christ;
Michael
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I believe we agree that the argument is whether we should follow God or men. To obey God we must know how God has revealed himself to us.
Hebrews 1:1-2 says He has revealed himself through Jesus Christ, who is also known as the Word (John 1:1, 14). God has revealed Himself to us through the Scriptures.
God has also declared that we should not add to or take away from His Word (Deut 4:2, 12:32, Pro 30:5-6, Rev 22:18-19). Therefore, God speaks to us through His Word and, once we establish what is and what isn’t the canon, we cannot add to or take away from His word. Now that the canon has been decided (whether or not you believe the apocrypha should be included) no other writing is to be taken as the Word of God, nor hold the same authority as the Word of God.
So if we are obeying the Bible then we are obeying God, not men.
We must remember that the Epistle of James is a letter and must be read as such to properly understand it. If you came across a letter in the street and read only one sentence of it, would you understand what the letter writer was trying to say? Probably not. In the same sense we cannot read any of the Scripture as a single verse, but rather within the context of the rest, in order to understand it’s meaning.
The verse you quote is Jam 2:24 (I say this for others benefit). When we look at it in context we see that he isn’t saying the works we do are salvific, but are evidence of true faith. Our faith without works is dead (verse 17), it is not a real faith. Therefore if we say we have faith, we will have works to go with it; just as if we say we love Christ we will obey His commandments (John 14:15, 21). But what works is he talking about? The works associated with loving your neighbor (James 2:15, John 14:12). So, what the author is teaching is the same that Christ taught, love you neighbor as yourself (verse 8).
We know that Christ is our perfect example of love. Was He unloving when he turned over the tables of the moneychangers in the temple (Mat 21:12)? Was He unloving when he called the Pharisees hypocrites (Mat 23:23)? Am I loving my neighbor by not speaking the truth in order to ensure nobody gets their feelings hurt? Proverbs 27:5 says “Open rebuke is better than secret love”.
Lastly, I have no hope of converting you from Catholicism or getting you to agree with my points. My hope is others may be edified, and ultimately God glorified.
God bless.
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Thank you for the courteous reply.
I think the interpretation along the lines you give is not necessarily against Catholic teaching.
The Catholic Church does not say “faith alone” because it contradicts James and contradicting scripture is something no church teaching can ever do. But I do think what you say in interpreting James is an acceptable way to interpret it. So for example if someone has a living faith that would necessarily yield good works(fruits) but they die before any good works happen, would they go to heaven? I think they would and I don’t think that violates Catholic Teaching.
There is another acceptable interpretation as well though. When you read Paul he is addressing the issues that are being raised in his churches. One of the major issues is whether in order to be Christian one must first become a Jew. If so they must do certain Jewish ceremonial works including of course circumcision. Paul clearly preached that these ceremonial works are not required. However there were also moral commands that Jesus gave us such as love God and each other. It is far from clear that Paul would have thought these commands can be ignored so long as you believe Christ died on the Cross for our sins.
Protestants want to push the interpretations that far but Catholics allow people to believe he did not intend to say we can ignore Christs commands and our salvation is still assured.
Believe it or not The Catholic Church allows allot of interpretations of scripture when it comes to issues such as this. It does view its role as a Shepard though. So it is going to encourage people to take the safest route whenever 2 ways are available. Here it seems to me to be quite a bit safer not to tell people that the “works” Paul was referring to included things like love our neighbor and so we can safely believe we will get to heaven by faith alone without following Christ’s command.
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Please allow me to address this later as I have to get ready for work……… smiling. No, not a Biblical kind of work, but that of what the Bible says, “if a man does not work he should not eat” kind. Lol!
Talk to you later my friend.
Your Friend in Christ,
Michael
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