Many people find the Holy Spirit confusing. Is the Holy Spirit a force, a person, or something else? What does the Bible teach?
The Bible provides many ways to help us understand that the Holy Spirit is truly a person. First, every pronoun used in reference to the Spirit is “he” not “it.” The original Greek language of the New Testament is explicit in confirming the person of the Holy Spirit. The word for “Spirit” (pneuma) is neuter and would naturally take neuter pronouns to have grammatical agreement. Yet, in many cases, masculine pronouns are found (e.g., John 15:26; 16:13-14). Grammatically, there is no other way to understand the pronouns of the New Testament related to the Holy Spirit—He is referred to as a “He,” as a person.
Matthew 28:19 teaches us to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is a collective reference to one Triune God. Also, we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30). The Spirit can be sinned against (Isaiah 63:10) and lied to (Acts 5:3). We are to obey Him (Acts 10:19–21) and honor Him (Psalm 51:11).
The personhood of the Holy Spirit is also affirmed by His many works. He was personally involved in creation (Genesis 1:2), empowers God’s people (Zechariah 4:6), guides (Romans 8:14), comforts (John 14:26), convicts (John 16:8), teaches (John 16:13), restrains sin (Isaiah 59:19), and gives commands (Acts 8:29). Each of these works requires the involvement of a person rather than a mere force, thing, or idea.
The Holy Spirit’s attributes also point to His personality. The Holy Spirit has life (Romans 8:2), has a will (1 Corinthians 12:11), is omniscient (1 Corinthians 2:10–11), is eternal (Hebrews 9:14), and is omnipresent (Psalm 139:7). A mere force could not possess all of these attributes, but the Holy Spirit does.
And the personhood of the Holy Spirit is affirmed by His role as the third Person of the Godhead. Only a being who is equal to God (Matthew 28:19) and possesses the attributes of omniscience, omnipresence, and eternality could be defined as God.
In Acts 5:3–4, Peter referred to the Holy Spirit as God, stating, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” Paul likewise referred to the Holy Spirit as God in 2 Corinthians 3:17–18, stating, “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.”
The Holy Spirit is a person, as Scripture makes clear. As such, He is to be revered as God and serves in perfect unity with Father and Son to lead us in our spiritual lives.
BS !! A PERSON ?? what ?? Really ? SO how did this person split up and ENTER into so many ppl ? People cannot do that !! You preach against the scriptures and for this you will be accursed !! SO says the scriptures.. Just warning you. I would stay away from your incorrect analysis, you lean on your own understanding here, and according to biblical scholars you are flat out WRONG !!
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Perhaps you should have read beyond the mere title of the article. But, since you haven’t I will explain. The same question you raise; “SO how did this person split up and ENTER into so many ppl ?” can be asked about God as well. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all One and each of these are Omnipresent. This means they are at all places at all times.
I preach nothing against scripture – I have listed the book, chapter and verse of all I have announced here. They are there that you might test my spirit and the things I announce. The Bible tells us to test every spirit. Read the article; look up scripture and then decide whether, or not, this is truth.
Whom are these Bible scholars of whom you refer?
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless and keep you, and yours, always.
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You said “G-d, Jesus and the Spirit are all ONE”… so WHO was Christ praying to then ?? Not Himself, Yes the Father’s spirit was within Him, but it says clearly it was HIS Father’s Spirit, not a person named spirit. That is NOT scriptural but your personal spin on it, a very Cath one too.
I dont think you have the capacity to explain G-d, when you dwell in the flesh so. To teach others you need to know what you teach. Scripture warns of this too.
This would be considered Blasphemy in Israel, and as a Jew, no this is not our Elohim. Although we do accept HaMashiach(the Messiah) some Jews still do not.
Go see Messianic Rabbi, Ray Looker on G+, ask a Rabbi if Elohim, G-d of Avraham, is a trinity. Start with him if you like, Im sure he will tell you flat out, and he has many books written. Raylooker.com. This is not taught about the G-d of Avraham. The Ruach is not a “person” either. NO where in the bible does it say this.
G-d is not to be worshiped in the Flesh. Its called a “Spirit” for a reason. We all have one. This spirit has been described as wind, and flames of fire, but a person, it is said the “Holy Spirit” or Ruach Ha Kodesh is the Father’s Ruach. Considering we all have one, doesnt mean we are all, two ppl. You are calling your “Spirit” a person. Think about that. It makes no sense to me.
This is Catholic paganism and not scriptural, not the original scriptures. HaMashiach’s name was not Jesus either. The letter J is only 500yrs old.
How do you explain that ? Sure many came to know Him under this name and others, Muslims call Him Isa. Some might call Him Joe Blow, but I call Him by the name His Father gave Him. He never changed it, Rome did. Why lean on pagan Rome so much ? You must come out from under her… Rev speaks all about their downfall coming. I would get out from under that red skirt.
We are to read scripture and not lean on our own understanding.
You clearly do this here, verse after verse.
For example, you stated this
” Matthew 28:19 teaches us to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is a collective reference to one Triune God.”
NO that does NOT tell us this, that is YOUR opinion. It says to Immerse in the name of the Son, Father and Holy SPIRIT. SPIRIT being a KEY WORD. It doesnt say Son, Father and Holy Person. and doesnt say anything about Trinity, no where in the scriptures is that even stated, so why use it ? If it is NOT written and you say that it means something entirely different…. you change it. Warned against in scripture as well.
Go speak with Mr Looker, Im sure He will tell you the same thing though.
WIDE is the path to destruction and many are on it. It will not be hard to find people to eat this doctrine.
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What man refers to as knowledge is seldom more than information garnered from various sources. When you have knowledge of something you know it and it is indisputable. Knowledge is not something that is subjective in the sense that it is peculiar to one or some persons. Knowledge is universal and distinct in its feature. Knowledge conveys certainty in understanding and beggars belief. It is not opinion based but provable. Knowledge cannot be held but known.
Yet the proof may not always lie in the explanation but in the discovery through an inherent knowing that is certain, when you can tap into the ultimate Source of the resource. Information can become knowledge if validated by the Source as truth. Where knowledge resides, doubt is absent.
Psalm 111:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.”
The psalmist resolves to praise God himself. Our exhortations and our examples should agree together. He recommends the works of the Lord, as the proper subject, when we are praising Him; and the dealings of His providence toward the world, the church, and particular persons.
All the works of the Lord are spoken of as one, it is His work; so admirably do all the dispensations of his providence centre in one design. The works of God, humbly and diligently sought into, shall all be found just and holy.
God’s pardoning sin is the most wonderful of all His works, and ought to be remembered to His glory. He will ever be mindful of his covenant; He has ever been so, and He ever will be so.
His works of providence were done according to the truth of the Divine promises and prophecies, and so were verity, or truth; and by Him who has a right to dispose of the earth as He pleases, and so are judgment, or righteous: and this holds good of the work of grace upon the heart of man, ver. #7,8. All God’s commandments are sure; all have been fulfilled by Christ, and remain with Him for a rule of walk and conversation to us. He sent redemption unto His people, out of Egypt at first, and often afterwards; and these were typical of the great redemption, which in the fullness of time was to be wrought out by the Lord Jesus. Here His everlasting righteousness shines forth in union with His boundless mercy.
No man is wise who does not fear the Lord; no man acts wisely except as influenced by that fear. This fear will lead to repentance, to faith in Christ, to watchfulness and obedience. Such persons are of a good understanding, however poor, unlearned, or despised.
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless and keep you and yours. May His face shine upon you.
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Dear notinterested;
I want to take this additional moment in order to respond to your opening line and question of “You said “G-d, Jesus and the Spirit are all ONE”… so WHO was Christ praying to then ?? Not Himself, Yes the Father’s spirit was within Him, but it says clearly it was HIS Father’s Spirit, not a person named spirit.”
You have partially answered your own riddle (concerning the trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) when you ask “who was Christ praying to”?
In John 10 Jesus presents Himself as the Good Shepherd and, in a debate with the Jewish leaders (Pharisees and Sanhedrin), makes the claim, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). It was a bold statement—one His audience found quite audacious—and it reveals much about who Jesus is.
Five key observations can be made concerning this passage. First, Jesus claimed to be one with God in the sense of being equal to Him. Jesus did not claim to be merely a messenger or prophet of God, but of equal power with God.
Second, His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father. In verse 31, “The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.” Why? Blasphemy was a crime punishable by death according to the Jewish Law. When Jesus asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, “For blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God” (John 10:33). If Jesus had been lying or deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous. In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God.
Third, Jesus referred to Himself as God’s Son and to God as His Father (John 10:36–37). He used Psalm 82:6 to show that the Messiah has the right to claim the title “Son of God.”
Fourth, Jesus claimed that His Father sent Him: “the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world” (John 10:36). In this statement, Jesus claimed preexistence in the Father’s presence. No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before; yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham (John 8:58).
Fifth, Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him; He never said they misunderstood His claim to be God. John 10:38 notes, “Even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Jesus was not correcting a misunderstanding. They understood what He said perfectly. He was correcting their willful rejection of Him.
Colossians 1:16–17 affirms Jesus’ same teaching: “In him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.” John 1:1 explicitly notes that Jesus was both with God in the beginning and was God.
Although some examples were previously provided, I have chosen to narrow down on two example of Christ’s revelationary self-identification.
In John 10:30 Jesus makes a very important claim – a claim that those in his presence recognised and Christians and non-Christians alike recognise. This claim is one that sets Jesus’ apart from the prophets (both from God and false).
Jesus said:
“I and the Father are one.”
One of the greatest ways to understand this verse is to see how those living in Jesus’ context saw it. So, how did they react?
“Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, CLAIM TO BE GOD.” ”
John 10:31-33
The enormity of the statement, “I and the Father are one,” within the context of the Gospel of John is difficult to overstate. There are several reasons for this.
First, this is a type of “I am” statement for Jesus, this time “we are.” There is a continued reference to the divine name of Jehovah God, I AM (see John 8:58 below).
Second, there is a further divine claim in obvious allusion to the famous Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4, “Hear O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” This was the monotheistic bedrock of the Jewish religion, that there was only one God. Yet Jesus has now included himself in this monotheistic confession. He does not mean that he has achieved some type of mystical unity with God that might be more at home with Hinduism. He is speaking of the very essence of his relationship with the Father, that there is a sameness about them. The theological math here is that 1 + 1 = 1 (cf. John 1:1). And yet a third element in this should be noted. Jesus does not say, “I am the Father.” Although he makes a mighty claim here, he continues to maintain a certain level of distinction between the Father and himself.
But this isn’t the only time Jesus made this claim. We turn to John 8:58-59:
“Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham “was born, I am.” ”
Now, how did those Jews in Jesus’ context react to this?
“Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple. ” (verse 59)
At this point Jesus makes one of the most sensational statements in all of the recorded Gospels, and one of the most staggering statements in John, “before Abraham was, I am.” This is the climax of the “I am” statements in John. Here the “I am” has two very important implications.
First, the “I am” (ἐγὼ εἰμί, egō eimi) is an intentional play upon the divine name of God found in the Old Testament. At the burning bush, when Moses asked God what his name was, the answer was “I am who I am” (Exodus 3:14). In Hebrew, this name is יהוה (YHWH), which is sometimes transliterated as “Jehovah.” It is based upon the Hebrew verb for “being,” and so God’s personal name revealed to Moses is literally “the I am.” Here, as in verses 24 and 28, there is no complement for the verb. The statement is not “I am (something).” It is just “I am.” Jesus has already said that one must “believe that I am” (v. 24) and “know that I am” (v. 28). To make these demands is to claim the name of God for personal use. In some ways Jesus is saying, “I am the ‘I am.” I am God.”
Second, this claim has other enormous theological implications. By saying “before Abraham was, I am,” Jesus is asserting his transcendence over time and history. He does not say “I was there with Abraham.” In effect, he says “I am there with Abraham, and even before.” Time does not limit God, and it does not limit Jesus. As John has said, “In the beginning was the Word” (1:1; cf. Rev 22:13).
We must be careful here. For us these theological truths can be dangerously overstated as in the simplistic bumper-sticker theology that says, “Jesus is Jehovah.” Although we may not completely understand all the distinctions, Jesus does not remove everything that separates the Father from the Son. In fact if there is no difference between the Father and the Son, much of what Jesus has said in this chapter is nonsense: God is not his Father; he is his own “father.” The Father did not send him; he sent himself. He does not know the Father; he knows himself. This results in a loss of the humanity of Jesus, a loss that orthodox Christianity has never tolerated. At the end of the day we must affirm both the full humanity and the full divinity of Christ, and that is precisely one of the major agendas of the Gospel of John.
Time for talking is now over as far as the Jews are concerned. They understand exactly what is at stake in Jesus’ claim to be “I am.” He has gone far beyond being an irritation to them. He is now a dangerous blasphemer, a threat that cannot be ignored. Mob violence mentality takes control, and preparations for a stoning/ lynching begin. But this is not the time, place, or method for Jesus’ death, so the text says he hid himself and he gets away safely (implying a miraculous escape).
Hence, these two statements are so powerful that one cannot deny that Christ claimed to be divine.
In summary, Jesus claimed to be one with the Father as part of a larger argument to note that He had existed from eternity past, lived in perfect oneness with the Father, held the same power as God, and was sent by God the Father’s authority. Unfortunately, He was rejected as divine by the Jewish leaders. Jesus’ claim to have equal power as the Father was not blasphemy. It was the plain truth.
I trust this will, in some small way, help your understanding.
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless and keep you. Shalom.
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Half of the scripture you quoted does not support what you said. I did not partially explain it I did explain it… He prayed to His Father, not Himself. Scripture even says that.
If HE was G-d alone, then He wouldn’t need to pray. He prays to Himself ? You really think that ? G-d worships Himself ?
And your rant on knowledge, um yea it matters especially on biblical stuff.
There are curses for preaching false doctrine. So I would think studying matters a great deal, especially when you have things so backwards. So Knowledge is lacking there. What does that have to do with you NOT knowing what you are teaching, and you speak of knowledge. You have a talent for talking and not saying much.
Your 5 conversations, half contradict what you say and claim as well. He was one with the Father as the Father put His Ruach HaKodesh into Him.
Also Yeshua said He sits at the RIGHT hand of G-d. How does HE sit next to Himself ??
Spare me the bible refs, just explain that.
He prays to Himself and sits beside Himself, and needs satan to offer Him the riches in the world, and all the Kingdoms on earh ? The Earth HE made ?
I don’t think the devil is more powerful than G-d. Sorry.
I find that insulting to G-d.
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Take a chill pill. Did you even bother to read the article? I think by ‘person’ he was distinguishing the Holy Spirit as part of the Trinity and not some mindless ‘force’. In the article, Michael was careful to point of scriptural reference for all his points.
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Sierra;
Once again thank you for your comments. They are, as always, greatly appreciated.
I think you right; often people will read the title of an article and make presumptions based upon that alone.
You are correct, Sierra, in stating that I was distinguishing the Holy Spirit as part of the triune. And, as a result, distinguishing the Holy Spirit as part of the Personhood of God. It also proves that within the trinity is all three working as One God.
Yes, I always try and make biblical reference to anything posted. I believe in making sure that everyone can verify the veracity of what is posted; and, as well, confirm the veracity scripturally. It is the best practice for all concerned.
Over the next two days I have two more articles on the same or similar subjects. One is entitled “What are the names and titles of the Holy Spirit” and the other is “Is the Holy Spirit a “He,” “She,” or “It,” male, female, or neuter? I suppose both of these will bring some comments as well (smiling).
Once again, Sierra, I thank you for your comment and aiding in my defense. Both, as you know, are greatly appreciated.
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless and keep you and yours.
Yours in Christ;
Michael
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I did read it and no he wasnt distinguishing anything, he stated right there his thoughts. Scriptural point mean nothing when you dont understand them., YOU might need someone to read it to you and tell you what it means, but IF I do, I seek a Rabbi, a trained Priest. Trinity is not taught by Jews, and Salvation is of the Jews havent you heard ?
You do Christmas too ? Lent ? Easter ? Halloween ? ALL an abomination to Elohim child.
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Thanks for the tips but I read just fine. Also, the Holy Spirit helps to understand when I read. I LOVE Christmas and Easter, my favorite times of the year. I’m not sure how gathering with family to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus can be an ‘abomination’… but you are entitled to your opinions as are others. I respect that and you would do well to show respect as well.
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LOL you are rather exalted arent you altruistico? You preach false doctrine and I have fallen to Shaitin for NOT eating the BS ?? haha. Good one. THAT is your response to what you wrote? You are placing your opinion on scripture here and changing it.
RE: Spirit being male, female..LOL, there are NO women in heaven, do you read any scripture or just write your own ?
May G-d have mercy on you, you are a False ‘prophet’ and pastor. You do not understand what you preach Sir. You also did not call the spirit a “personhood”, but a person. so now you false testify on your own page. Deception is of the Devil and IF you preach, you should be ready to give answer to what you say… YOU retort with… I am falling to shaitin. SMH…NICE !! Typical of your lot. Cant stand to be corrected ?? dont preach false doctrine. You will be accursed for misleading others like the catholic church, go read revelations real good. They are not looked on kindly, neither are the pagan practices they hold.
Salvation is of the Jews ..Paul
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Show respect ? You guys have called me satan and a troll now and YOU tell ME to respect ppl. WHO ? There is no one here worth respecting. This is NOT sound doctrine. I will not respect someone corrupting the word of G-d.
What this man writes is his own opinions.
He has no schooling or biblical training and it shows.
and this isn’t MY opinion itS G-d’s.
No Idol worship. These are NOT His Holidays you ask about.
Read the laws of Duet, Levit and Numbers, or do you skip the OT like most Christians ?
He said HE did not come to abolish the laws..
Typical nasty Christian comment really. Ppl tell you this isn’t scripture and out comes the nastiness. I have responded to you in honesty and even in your first comment you said yourself ” I think by ‘person’ he was distinguishing the Holy Spirit as part of the Trinity and not some mindless ‘force’.”
SO IF his doctrine is SO sound why do YOU have to analyze what you think he said ?
It should be clear if you are quoting scripture.
Half of what he quoted to me does NOT support what he wrote..SMH
Now I posted to you the history in the middle east where Christianity started, and the laws by G-d on these Festivals that ARE in your bible.
Follow this doctrine he preaches, and you will hear “I know you not” and be left in the dark w gnashing teeth, ALL you will be blaming each other for teaching this stuff. Its not the G-d of Abraham you are paying Homage to. Read Levit. or none of those commandments apply to you ? You know better than G-d, ALL of you ?
Where in the bible does it say Christmas or December ??
Christ was born on Sukkot in Sept…9 months before John the Baptist. His Father was a Kohen and when you mark the times he was to serve at the Temple and when he would’ve gotten home, they can calculate exactly when both boys were born.
or Easter ? Its not the day He rose. So what are you celebrating ?
Very Truly I say this is not the G-d of Abraham you worship here.
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Oh and hiding behind the anonymity of the internet to blast someone with inflammatory comments (such as ‘accursed’ and ‘false prophet’) is basically the definition of ‘troll’.
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Your hostility and condemnation is indicative of satanic fruit in your life, be aware of false spirits my friend.
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Welcome, Nathanael;
I wish to thank you for your time and comments. They are always greatly appreciated.
As Christians we want to avoid such things as hostility and condemnation. You are right – they are indicative of Satan and his practices. Perhaps “notinterestedinfalsedoctrine” has been mislead by others when it comes to Biblical teachings. I really hate the fact that there are many being mislead by practicing ministers and pastors who teach false doctrine. There are so many who are falling victim to their spiritual mis-teachings. Either way he has fallen victim to Satan.
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless you and yours.
Yours in Christ;
Michael
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False doctrine is a sign of Shaitin my friend. Beware on your own behalf, you are eating at this table apparently.
You mistake Zeal for Hostility, LOL I am a very happy person, and have many miracles in my life, due to G-d. Shaitin doesnt reward or save people.
Im just trying to understand this line of thought, people who claim to preach for the G-d of Avraham. I am charged as one of His disciples to question any preaching. We ALL should, NEVER should you just accept what is said, but get to know your G-d, and the scriptures and know what is correct. That IS Scriptural and a command.
We are not to accept every word we hear child. And you should never lean on your OWN understanding in scripture, thus WHY I have several Rabbis.. not just my brother. They all tell me what he does, so I know if my brother is busy, I can ask someone else, and get the right answer.
In Israel this would be considered “spiritual death” to preach this…If you say you worship the G-d of Avraham, you might want to know the truth about Him. 🙂
Shalom.
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The Jews have by and large rejected Jesus so I don’t understand your rejection of sound christian doctrine in favor of rabbinical teachings?
…Michael-trolls are going to troll. You are a gifted teacher of Scripture and very sound in your doctrine. God bless!
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Dear Sierra;
I wish to thank you for your comments and especially for your comment regarding me. I want you to know this means a great deal to me and I am thankful for you.
It is true that the Jewish people have, by-and-large rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Yet, this person refers to a Messianic Rabbi as his/her reference to the Bible and it’s teachings. I find this somewhat perplexing. I would think a Messianic Rabbi (Kohen or priest) would be more in tune with the Bible and it’s teachings. Yet, and again, his/her user name may be indicative of “not wanting to hear about religion of any type” and it’s referral to “false doctrine.” This remains unknown.
However the case may be I have, in my latest response to him/her brought forth much awareness to the concept of Christ being One within the Trinity and yet being fully God. It seems long and elaborate yet informative to all who might otherwise read it. I do not wish to forsake anyone of the truth and of understanding.
It is, as always, great hearing from you my friend.
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless you and yours always. May His face shine upon you. Shalom.
Yours in Christ;
Michael
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You’r right false doctrine is a sign of Satan, but if a brother is wrong you don’t aggressively condemn them, you admonish them in meekness and in gentleness, this is my only point.
If someone is teaching the wrong doctrine then perhaps you should offer at least one or two scriptures to help clarify the misunderstanding instead of just judging their error and walking away
God Bless brother
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Sierra…
not ALL Jews have denied him, My Rabbis are all Jewish, Born and raised and True Kohen Priests. They acceot Him as do many others. There are many NON Jews who dont accept Him too. Those who don’t, believe me they chastise those like me and my brother. He was chased from the family, banned from the Synagouge, and booted FROM Irael all together. You don’t leave Orthodox Rabbi seculars with their good graces. SO the price is very very high for those Jews who do believe in Him. Something to keep in mind. A little compassion there. We are thought of to them as dead. Literally. Scripture states they will come around though. So don’t worry about them, G-d will turn them when He is ready, like when Elijah killed all Ba’al’s false prophets. There was a remnant of TRUE Jews left, and they were made to come out before Elijah and admit their whoredom with another G-d, and they were forgiven.
They are still ordained as G-d Holy people are they not ?
This is in scripture over and over.
I have no problem with the Christian Doctrine, unless you are preaching to NOT following the Jewish Festivals, or preaching Trinity, it is not the same G-d or religion where Christ came from. So we are commanded to reproach this type of teaching and tell the Truth are we not ?
Christ was an Aramaic Jew, like my brother. His name was Yeshua, as it comes from the Fathers name.
In the Hebrew Torahs, you can count out Every 386th letter, as His Name is
Yeshua ישוע in Hebrew, and has the numerical value of 386. His name shows up, every 38th letter, Proving this IS His name.
Yod-י =10, shin-ש =300, Vav-ו =6, Ayin=70-ע. Hence, 386.
Plus that is what they called Him in the Hebrew New Test.
It changed to Iosis in Greece, Isa to the Muslims, and about 500 yrs ago, Jesus.
Remember the line “He who hath the knowledge let him calculate” This is because, All Hebrew letters have a number assigned to them. The name of G-d calculates out to many meanings that constitute His eternal love etc.
Paul said salvation is of the Jews. THat is scriptural. This is also why He told the APostles to begin their ministries in Jerusalem, Judea then out from there to the rest of the world.
Scripture states that once you accept Christ you are grafted in to the vine, but you cant kill the vine and still be part of the grape clusters.
I have no problem with Christian doctrine if it follows scripture. Festivals, Shabbat on Fri to sat, no work, no tv. These are G-d’s commandments, never to be broken, ours for all our generations.
Going back to the original Hebrew will show you many things, for one, it is not called the “Holy Spirit” its Ruach HaKodesh. All Hebrew names have another meaning, this will tell you that Ruach HaKodesh is Clothed in wind and is more described as a ghost I guess. But it is not taught or thought as a person. This would give G-d a shape and face and scripture clearly says not to even envision this. It is akin to idolism. The Gold Calf in the desert was of G-d, but G-d got very angry as HE said NO idolism. You really have to familiarize yourself with Levit, Numb, Duet.
Yeshua said He didn’t come to abolish the Law. The Law in Hebrew always refers to the Torah, He was a Torah follower, and Avidly as He was the son of G-d. As Apostle Peter said.
Christ himself said this as well “I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
So in that we see He says He came not on His OWN accord but the one who sent Him, if HE IS G-d, a Trinity, then who sent Him ?
Plus, The devil tempted Him in the desert by offering Him the world’s Riches and Kingdoms RIght ?
IF He was G-d Himself, then How is the devil able to offer Him the things in the world HE created, He could just create them right ? Who is greater G-d or the devil ?
Evil has power on this planet but only because G-d allows it. Ref: Job.
Plus, Trinity.. Yeshua wasn’t His own Father. He was with His Father from the beginning. Bible codes even show Yeshua there on Mt Sinai with Moshe too. This all unrolls in Hebrew though. It brings the truth flat out in the open then and none of this other stuff even fits.
Considering Yeshua followed the Torah, read it in the Synagogues during the weekly Parsha readings, did all the Jewish Festivals, and NEVER said stop, no where in the bible does it say stop, or Christmas or anything….I would say we need to stick to what it says. Follow Him as we are told.
As far as this ” I LOVE Christmas and Easter, my favorite times of the year. I’m not sure how gathering with family to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus can be an ‘abomination’…”
I will tell you, He didn’t rise on Easter but on Pesach, or Passover, on Sat PM…Right after Shabbat closed. He was our Passover Lamb. Actually as He died at 3pm, they led the Passover Lamb up the steps of the Temple and slaughtered it AT 3 pm, right when HE died. G-d provided the Passover Lamb Just as Abraham told Isaac, oddly enough. He specifically said to keep this Holiday in honor of Him as we Love Him. All these Festivals can be looked up on Aish.com
He was also not born in December. He was born in Sept during the Festival of Sukkot.
This is how we know HE is the Messiah, HE fulfills the Prophecies and the Festivals as well. His Birth and Res.
The Holidays of Eater and Christmas are Roman made and based off Pagan gods. SO it is Idolism.
The truth is that Easter has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of our L-rd Yeshua Christ.
We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.
The easter bunny all of it is pagan.
I am a big History buff, long before I studied the scriptures so deep, and I was amazed at the conversion of the Holidays. They were all made from Roman gods, ones G-d tells us NOT to worship on pain of eternal death,. so something to think about there. You are worshipping a roman god in its ancient roman holiday. I recognize every Roman statue and god in these Holidays too.
My brother is a biblical scholar of over 25yrs, He wrote this below, I KNOW its long, but It tells you exactly what, who, and when these Holidays came about.
I only bring Truth here, the path is wide to destruction, and He said many will be on it. You read below and see what Im talking about. This is Rabbinical teaching, it always leans on Torah, or Bible, and Has much deeper meaning. They have to follow a certain set of “laws” to even write these articles.
Sunday worship, Holidays :
How the council of Nicaea corrupted true Christianity!!!!
The Fourth Commandment states: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work . . .” (Exodus:20:8-10 [8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
, emphasis added throughout).
God commanded that the seventh day be observed as the Sabbath. A glance at almost any dictionary, encyclopedia or calendar will show you that Saturday is the seventh day of the week, while Sunday is the first day of the week. According to God’s calendar, the seventh day is—and always has been—the Sabbath day. Although man has modified calendars through the centuries, the seven-day weekly cycle has remained intact throughout history. The days of the week have always remained in their proper order, with Sunday as the first day of the week and Saturday as the seventh.
Time has not been lost in this regard, as some assert. “The oracles of God”—His divine words and instructions—were entrusted to the Jewish people (Romans:3:1-2 [1] What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
[2] Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
), and they have preserved the knowledge of the seventh-day Sabbath faithfully since well before Christ’s time to this day. Jesus repeatedly confirmed that the day the Jews observed as the Sabbath in His day was indeed the Sabbath. And since then the Jewish people, even scattered in many nations and in different sects, have all preserved the same day.
Moreover, the mainstream Christian churches, though rejecting the Sabbath, indirectly confirm when it is by maintaining their early tradition of worshipping on Sunday, which they acknowledge to be the first day of the week. Obviously that makes the previous day the seventh—the biblical Sabbath.
No biblical authorization for changing the Sabbath
So how did Sunday become the primary day of rest and worship for these churches? Although the concept of rest has largely disappeared today, most denominations continue to hold their worship services on Sunday. You can search throughout the Bible, but you will find no authority to alter the day of worship.
James Cardinal Gibbons, Catholic educator and archbishop of Baltimore at the turn of the 20th century, was blunt about the change: “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify. The Catholic Church correctly teaches that our Lord and His Apostles inculcated certain important duties of religion which are not recorded by the inspired writers . . . We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith”( The Faith of Our Fathers, 1917, p. 89).
Did you grasp what he said? He admitted that Sunday observance is nowhere authorized in the Bible and that the seventh day is the only day sanctified by the Scriptures. His justification for changing the day of rest and worship assumes that authority exists apart from the Bible to define the necessary truths and practices for salvation—in other words, he says, human beings can change the commandments of God!
Change to Sunday was made after the New Testament was written
The change from Sabbath to Sunday is not found anywhere in the Bible. It was made long after the writing of the New Testament. So how and when was the change made?
Initially Christianity was viewed as simply a sect of Judaism. However, after Jewish revolts in Judea in A.D. 67-70 and 132-135, Jewish religious practices—many of which continued in the early Church—came to be viewed with hostility throughout the Roman Empire. Many among the Church began to abandon these practices, including observance of the biblical Sabbath and festivals.
No clear references to Sunday as a day of Christian worship are found until the writings of Barnabas and Justin, around A.D. 135 and 150, respectively. Observance of Sunday as the primary day of worship appears to have begun to solidify during the reign of Emperor Hadrian (A.D. 117-135), who harshly persecuted Jews throughout the Roman Empire. Hadrian specifically prohibited practices of Judaism, including observance of the seventh-day Sabbath.
These oppressive measures apparently influenced many early Christians in Rome to abandon the seventh day and turn to Sunday, the day for honoring the sun god among the Romans and other peoples of the ancient world. When Christianity was declared the official religion of the Roman Empire in the fourth century, the process accelerated.
Constantine’s anti-Jewish prejudice
The Roman Emperor Constantine, although a worshipper of the sun, was the first emperor to profess belief in Christianity. But the “Christianity” Constantine endorsed was already considerably different from that practiced by Jesus and the apostles. The emperor accelerated the change by his own hatred of Jews and religious practices he considered Jewish.
For example, at the Council of Nicea (A.D. 325), church authorities essentially banned the biblical Passover observance. Endorsing this change, Constantine announced: “It appeared an unworthy thing that . . . we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul . . . Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd” (Eusebius, Life of Constantine 3, chapter 18, quoted in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 1979, Vol. 1, pp. 524-525).
“During the later periods of Roman history, sun worship gained in importance and ultimately led to what has been called a ‘solar monotheism.’ Nearly all the gods of the period were possessed of Solar qualities, and both Christ and Mithra acquired the traits of solar deities. The feast of Sol and Victus (open unconquered Sun) on December 25th was celebrated with great joy, and eventually this date was taken over by the Christians as Christmas, the birthday of Christ.”
We celebrate Christmas on 25th December? Some people say it’s as good a time as any, and it doesn’t really matter when Jesus was born as long as we celebrate his birth at some time. But if we are going to celebrate the birthday of Jesus on December 25th, we need to know the reason why we do it on that day because it’s also the traditional birthdays of Nimrod, Osiris, Jupiter, and various other representations of the child-god of the Babylonian religious system.
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Nimrod
To understand the history of the child-god, we have to begin with Genesis 10:8-10.
And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
The Bible does not identify Nimrod’s mother, or his date of birth, but Egyptian and Babylonian antiquities identify his mother as Semiramis, and his birthday is celebrated on 25th December. Sometimes Semiramis is referred to as the mother of Nimrod, and sometimes as his wife, leading to the belief that Nimrod married his mother.
The Biblical reference to Nimrod as a “mighty hunter” is important because he was seen as the Saviour of the ancient world for that very reason. People were living in small, scattered villages with little protection from wild animals. Nimrod was more than just a hunter, he was also a charismatic figure who could gather people together to build walled cities where they could live in safety. They were obedient to him as their leader, and considered that their loss of independence was a price worth paying for the safety that Nimrod and his kingdom offered.
There is nothing in the Bible about the death of Nimrod, but the ancient traditions suggest that he died a violent death. One tradition says that he was killed by a wild animal. Another says that Shem killed him because he had led the people into the worship of Baal.
His wife-mother, Semiramis, who had risen to greatness on his account, was not going to disappear into obscurity because of his death. Instead she pronounced him to be a god, so that she herself became a goddess. She produced another son, and proclaimed him to be the resurrected Nimrod. This was not difficult, because she was so promiscuous she produced many children whose father could not be identified. She proclaimed that she had gone down to the world of the dead, rescued Nimrod and brought him back.
Thus began the worship of Semiramis and the child-god, and the whole paraphanalia of the Babylonian religious system.
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Idolatry in the Church
The Roman Catholic Church, in their attempt to make converts from among the pagans, felt that they had to find a way to indentify culturally with them. They had the Biblical story of the miraculous virgin birth of Christ, so they decided it must have happened on 25 December and the pagans were invited to come to church and worship him. Thus there was a position of ambiguity, where some people might have genuinely converted to Christianity while others turned up just to indulge in the latest religious innovation. It was equivalent to the inclusion of Jesus in the Roman pantheon of the gods, a matter which the early church had firmly resisted at the cost of the death of many martyrs.
Thus the Roman Catholic Church established the Madonna and child as the latest manifestation of the Queen of Heaven and her son. The Pagans made no compromises, they didn’t need to, they just came and worshipped their new deities because it fitted in nicely with what they already believed.
“Ishtar”, which is pronounced “Easter” was a day that commemorated the resurrection of one of their gods that they called “Tammuz”, who was believed to be the only begotten son of the moon-goddess and the sun-god.
In those ancient times, there was a man named Nimrod, who was the grandson of one of Noah’s son named Ham.
Ham had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis.Cush and Semiramis then had a son named him “Nimrod.”
After the death of his father, Nimrod married his own mother and became a powerful King.
The Bible tells of of this man, Nimrod, in Genesis 10:8-10 as follows: “And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad,and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.”
Nimrod became a god-man to the people and Semiramis, his wife and mother, became the powerful Queen of ancient Babylon.
Nimrod was eventually killed by an enemy, and his body was cut in pieces and sent to various parts of his kingdom.
Semiramis had all of the parts gathered, except for one part that could not be found.
That missing part was his reproductive organ. Semiramis claimed that Nimrod could not come back to life without it and told the people of Babylon that Nimrod had ascended to the sun and was now to be called “Baal”, the sun god.
Queen Semiramis also proclaimed that Baal would be present on earth in the form of a flame, whether candle or lamp, when used in worship.
Semiramis was creating a mystery religion, and with the help of Satan, she set herself up as a goddess.
Semiramis claimed that she was immaculately conceived.
She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day cycle and ovulated when full.
She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon egg that fell into the Euphrates River.
This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.
Semiramis became known as “Ishtar” which is pronounced “Easter”, and her moon egg became known as “Ishtar’s” egg.”
Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the sun-god Baal that caused her to conceive.
The son that she brought forth was named Tammuz.
Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.
The day came when Tammuz was killed by a wild pig.
Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.
Ishtar, who was now worshipped as the “Mother of God and Queen of Heaven”, continued to build her mystery religion.
The queen told the worshippers that when Tammuz was killed by the wild pig, some of his blood fell on the stump of an evergreen tree, and the stump grew into a full new tree overnight. This made the evergreen tree sacred by the blood of Tammuz.
She also proclaimed a forty day period of time of sorrow each year prior to the anniversary of the death of Tammuz.
During this time, no meat was to be eaten.
Worshippers were to meditate upon the sacred mysteries of Baal and Tammuz, and to make the sign of the “T” in front of their hearts as they worshipped.
They also ate sacred cakes with the marking of a “T” or cross on the top.
Every year, on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox, a celebration was made.
It was Ishtar’s Sunday and was celebrated with rabbits and eggs.
Ishtar also proclaimed that because Tammuz was killed by a pig, that a pig must be eaten on that Sunday.
By now, the readers of this tract should have made the connection that paganism has infiltrated the contemporary “Christian” churches, and further study indicates that this paganism came in by way of the Roman Catholic System.
The truth is that Easter has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.
We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.
And there is much more. Such as Halloween, Since Halloween itself originated in paganism, it is not surprising that its customs are related to pagan belief.
The Roman Emperor had the legal power to rule Rome’s religious, civil and military affairs with the Senate acting as an advisory body. The emperor had power over life and death. As in the old sayings “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” and “”Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it”. The powerful, wealthy Roman Emperors inevitably became corrupt and many lived a debauched and immoral lifestyle. The Roman Empire saw divisions between the Senate and the Emperors. Either the Senate didn’t like the Emperor or the Emperors was at odds with the Senate.
Herod (/ˈhɛrəd/; Hebrew: הוֹרְדוֹס, Hordus, Greek: Ἡρῴδης, Hērōdēs; 74/73 BCE – 4 BCE), also known as Herod the Great and Herod I, was a Roman client king of Judea, referred to as the Herodian kingdom. He has been described as “a madman who murdered his own family and a great many rabbis” “the evil genius of the Judean nation”, “prepared to commit any crime in order to gratify his unbounded ambition”
This corruption reached to within the hierarchy of Israel, King Herod and many of his Judges were greatly influenced by this corruption. King Herod was Rome’s puppet.
Jesus saw this corruption and preached against resulting in the anger of Rome and King Herod! But Jesus never pointed the finger at the Jewish people as a whole. for Jesus said in Romans 11
Talmud
Beware of the self-righteous bigots!~!! Now a little lesson for the bigot!!! Read and LEARN!!!
Something that you self righteous Christians always FORGET, and maybe even conveniently forget, is that during the time of Jesus Israel was under Roman rule and occupation! Rome collapsed due to internal corruption, and all the states and land that Rome ruled, corruption followed! Now a little history lesson for you. Herod the Great also known as Herod the Great and Herod I, was a Roman client king of Judea, referred to as the Herodian kingdom. He has been described as “a madman who murdered his own family and a great many rabbis”, “the evil genius of the Judean nation”, “prepared to commit any crime in order to gratify his unbounded ambition”. Vital details of his life are recorded in the works of the 1st century CE Roman–Jewish historian Josephus.
(The Roman general Pompey the Great had conquered Jerusalem in 63 BC). There he was appointed King of the Jews by the Roman Senate.
Herod’s tyrannical authority has been demonstrated by many of his security measures aimed at suppressing the contempt his people, especially Jews, had towards him. For instance, it has been suggested that Herod used secret police to monitor and report the feelings of the general populace towards him. He sought to prohibit protests, and had opponents taken away by force.
So when reading the New Testament it would be fair to keep in mind the politics of the time under Roman rule!
There could be no question of anything corresponding to a trial taking place on this occasion before the Sanhedrin. Whatever inquest was made must have occurred during the Thursday night and outside Jerusalem (for on entering the city a prisoner would have had to be given up to the Roman garrison), and can not have been held before a quorum of the seventy-one members of the Sanhedrin. It is more probable that the twenty-three members of the priestly section of the latter, who had most reason to be offended with Jesus’ action in cleansing the Temple, met informally after he had been seized, and elicited sufficient to justify them in their own opinion in delivering him over to the Romans as likely to cause trouble by his claims or pretensions to the Messiahship, which, of course, would be regarded by them as rebellion against Rome. Nothing corresponding to a Jewish trial took place, though it was by the action of the priests that Jesus was sent before Pontius Pilate. The Gospels speak in the plural of the high priests who condemned him — a seeming contradiction to Jewish law which might throw doubt upon their historic character. Two, however, are mentioned, Joseph Caiaphas and Annas (Hanan), his father-in-law. Hanan had been deposed from the high-priesthood by Valerius Gratus, but he clearly retained authority and some prerogatives of the high priest, as most of those who succeeded him were relatives of his; and he may well have intervened in a matter touching so nearly the power of the priests. According to the Talmud, Hanan’s bazaars were on the Mount of Olives, and probably therefore also his house; this would thus have become the appropriate place for the trial by the Sanhedrin, which indeed just about this time had moved its place of session thither.
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and I did, you aren’t seeing the start of this conversation here, So please take that into consideration. I pointed this out and I am ignored and the heresy continues. As a disciple of Christ I wont let someone drown. Not without trying to help save them, if I have to shout to get their attention, fine. He only responds to you guys as you commend and praise and agree with him. That is fine.
I know of NO Rabbi or Pastor, who IF asked a question about what they are teaching would tell someone they are full of satan.
I still haven’t said that about this man. I think he is honest in what he believes but it isn’t the G-d of Abraham, and I would want to know if I was preaching against scripture, goodness, there are curses for that.
So I try to save him from these curses from G-d and Im evil ? That makes no sense.
Jewish children start their Torah schooling at 5 yrs old !! My brother was an Orth Rabbi at 21. It takes tons of schooling to teach this stuff.
I asked him about this idea of the Ruach being a person. IF he has ever heard this.
He said he has no idea where ppl get this from.
and just to note..you said this “but if a brother is wrong you don’t aggressively condemn them ”
But your first comment to me was “Your hostility and condemnation is indicative of satanic fruit in your life, be aware of false spirits my friend.”
Condemning false doctrine, and being angry because you are ignored, and smiled at like you are selling ice cream, while heresy continues and others are dragged down with it…. doesn’t make you full of satan. Rather to the contrary.
So lets set our stones down there…
I preach the Truth and can explain every word of what I do teach IF I do. I would never tell someone they had satan in them, because they questioned me or disagreed. No matter what I think of them. I just wouldn’t do that. I just came in and said BS !! Because it is.
Christ didn’t hold back, neither did John the Baptist, calling people Vipers and such, Christ whiping people and animals from the Temple mount, tossing money tables… as they were disrespecting His Father’s Temple.
So Saying BS !! LoL
I don’t think I will be condemned for that !!
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BS !! A PERSON ?? what ?? Really ? SO how did this person split up and ENTER into so many ppl ? People cannot do that !! You preach against the scriptures and for this you will be accursed !! SO says the scriptures.. Just warning you. I would stay away from your incorrect analysis, you lean on your own understanding here, and according to biblical scholars you are flat out WRONG !!
I apologize but to me this didn’t sound like you were trying to save or teach him anything, it sounded like you were just pointing your finger in his face and telling him he was wrong and cursed. at least that’s the way I read it.
“Christ didn’t hold back, neither did John the Baptist, calling people Vipers and such,”
My freind Jesus did call people vipers, but they were not brothers in Christ, they were children of Satan. You already admitted ” I think he is honest in what he believes ” So then why do you treat him as an enemy or in the manner that Jesus treated the pharisees, surely Jesus would not have treated a brother in this way. 2 Thessalonians 3:15 “Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.”
You say “Jewish children start their Torah schooling at 5 yrs old !! My brother was an Orth Rabbi at 21. It takes tons of schooling to teach this stuff.
I asked him about this idea of the Ruach being a person. IF he has ever heard this.
He said he has no idea where ppl get this from. ”
But it doesn’t talk about the Holy Spirit in the Torah, it only talks about the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, right?. Do orthodox rabbis learn the New Testament also?
“Condemning false doctrine, and being angry because you are ignored, and smiled at like you are selling ice cream, while heresy continues and others are dragged down with it…. doesn’t make you full of satan”
I didn’t say you were full of Satan, and I would never criticize you for simply telling someone they were wrong, obviously if someone is wrong then it is good to admonish them, I was criticizing you because of your tone, the manner in which you approached him was not in a spirit of meekness and gentleness. The scriptures say we will know people by their fruit, such as love, patience, kindness and gentleness. I did not see these fruits in the way you were speaking, rather I seen fruits of anger and hostility, this is why I said something to you. And yes you shouldn’t say bullshit, this is not appropriate language to speak to a brother in Christ.
All that being said I think you have a really neat spirit, I am encouraged by your faith in Christ. I have been to Israel once, and I have actually begun planning another trip for the near future. The Jews are God’s chosen people and I believe God has called me to Israel for a purpose. I respect his chosen people very much, you have a special place in His heart and I honor that. God bless you brother
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I am honestly so put off by the hostility in your tone that I am almost unwilling to read your rambling messages. If you want to reach out to people in a helpful way you may want to change your tone. I DO read the O.T. I also believ what the Bible says in that righteousness couldn’t come through obeying the law (because no one could do it perfectly) and the law came to show us our sinand need for a Savior. Jesus came full of grace and truth. So we can live an abundant life , full of theHoly Spirit, and be saved by grace through faith. What you are ‘selling’ is warped legalism. The spirit in which we celebrate the Holidays is NOT pagan. Of course Jesus didn’t rise exactly on Easter day. We know that but we mark the day to celebrate the fact that he DID. I am honestly praying for you because we all need the love of Jesus- and that doesn’t come by following rules or knowing tons of history.
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I’m sorry, Michael. I shouldn’t have responded to any of this. I feel convicted about it. “Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.” 2 Timothy 2:23 It isn’t a good witness and it doesn’t really go anywhere. So I am bowing out. Thanks for thoughtfully and scripturally explaining the Holy Spirit, such a widely misunderstood part of the Trinity. God bless! 🙂
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Hello, Sierra;
I understand your feelings on this matter. Notinterested’s main objective stems from foolish pride. He has read all that we have written and has put a twist on it. For example: when told about the Trinity his responses were “So in that we see He says He came not on His OWN accord but the one who sent Him, if HE IS G-d, a Trinity, then who sent Him ?”
Plus, “The devil tempted Him in the desert by offering Him the world’s Riches and Kingdoms RIght ?” IF He was G-d Himself, then How is the devil able to offer Him the things in the world HE created, He could just create them right ? Who is greater G-d or the devil ? The best I can explain is He is two spirits of One mind.
Clearly “notinterested” is stumbling over how to separate the three aspects of God and remain seeing Him as One. The simplest terms are as looking at a person 1: Mind; 2: Body, and; 3: Spirit. All of the same person, all united as one entity.
Everything he claims his brother is a scholar on has already been posted here. From Nimrod to salvation from the Jews. It’s all here for everyone to read, enjoy and learn from. Thus it leads me to believe this person is more interested in pulling people from reading the truth, enjoying the truth and learning the truth and distracting than promoting the Word of God.
Sierra the Bible is said to be for educating, rebuking and edifying (exhorting). We are also called to defend our faith. We already know we are to be persecuted – the Bible clearly tells us “when someone smites you on your left cheek, offer to them your right cheek as well (paraphrased): But, after that it doesn’t tell us what we have to do or are allowed to do – I believe, therefore – in using the Bible to rebuke – educate – and exhort others to it’s fullest degree. If you want an example: the pull it from what Jesus did to the money exchangers and Pharisees in the Temple….. over turning tables and calling them a den of thieves – Christ was not, by any means, a pacifist.
God knows both your heart and your intensions. There is nothing you have done nor said which is unpardonable. In my opinion arguing with another is considered wrong, perhaps… but defending Christendom and faith are not…… in your heart you know which is which and what was your meaning and intent, Sierra. If in your heart you feel convicted – then take it to the Lord in Prayer…. but never stop the defense of God’s Word and our way of life as Christians. As for me? For as long as God desires me I ill be a defender of God’s Word, being a proponent of Christendom and defender of the Faith…. I will try and do so in Love, Peace and Understanding – after that, if so guided by the Holy Spirit – I will overturn the tables and shout den of thieves where is it called for.
Your conscience may direct you otherwise – yet we are called to pick up our banners and fight the good fight…….
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless and keep you always.
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P/S: Ironic enough, I have just finished reading your post “Jar and Jugs.” What is ironic is your closing line “Lord Jesus, help us to be strong men and women of Faith. Help us to grow through the good and the bad. Use our lives to spread the pleasing aroma of Christ in this dark world, no matter what. In Jesus name, Amen.”
You have here said the same as I have said to you just moments ago….. “no matter what” you said….. “through the good and the bad.”
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Michael, glad to hear the perspective of a more mature Christian than I. I have, unfortunately, gotten into many heated arguments over my faith. I try to be careful not to cross the line, to represent Christ well, and not stoop to a low level. It also takes a bit of discernment to figure out if someone wants to have a legitimate discussion vs. just sowing strife and ‘trolling’. At a certain point it is just ‘throwing pearls before swine’, you know? I think the intent of this individual is NOT in having a reasonable discussion or respectful argument. So I wonder if even responding does any good? Like you said, he twisted what you were trying to explain. In my experience trying to thoughtfully argue these types goes nowhere and leaves you frustrated and demoralized about it all- probably the intent all along.
Keep fighting the good fight. You are spot on in that you are getting flack because you are preaching the Truth.
Interesting that Paul’s words to the Galatians about the Judaizers still apply, ” When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?” Galatians 2:14 I’m sure his Rabbis have the secret, correct interpretation for that though too… 😉
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Lets go to Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them. Repent and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Name is Jesus Christ. Matthew 28:19 says baptize them in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost. What is that name. The name is Jesus Christ.
The holy spirit is a gift from God. Jesus had to ascend into heaven so that the comforter could come. The comforter is the Holy Ghost the Spirit of God.
The Holy Spirit is not a person. A person can not be every where at one time. The Holy Spirit is a Manifestation of Jesus Christ.
The Father is also Jesus Christ. John 10:30 is Jesus speaking and he said I and my Father are one.
Ephesians 4:5 says One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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